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--- ai12s/ai12-0200-1.txt	2016/11/10 03:23:29	1.2
+++ ai12s/ai12-0200-1.txt	2016/11/24 02:32:19	1.3
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-!standard AA(3/4)                                    16-11-09  AI12-0200-1/02
+!standard A(3/4)                                    16-11-23  AI12-0200-1/03
 !standard 13.11.4(21/3)
 !standard 13.11.4(31/3)
 !class binding interpretation 16-08-11
@@ -39,8 +39,8 @@
      subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any
      two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as
      specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call)
-     that either are denoted by parameters that could be passed
-     by reference, or designated by parameters of an access type are
+     that are either denoted by parameters that could be passed
+     by reference, or are designated by parameters of an access type, are
      nonoverlapping.
 
 !discussion
@@ -60,8 +60,8 @@
 The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram
 is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same)
 language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of
-objects (one from each call) that either are denoted by parameters that could
-be passed by reference, or designated by parameters of an access type are
+objects (one from each call) that are either denoted by parameters that could
+be passed by reference, or are designated by parameters of an access type, are
 nonoverlapping.
 
 !ASIS
@@ -74,5 +74,81 @@
 this property which may indirectly test for correct implementation.
 
 !appendix
+
+From: Randy Brukardt
+Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016  6:05 PM
+
+In his review of the minutes (aside: should be posted soon), Jeff notes that the AI12-0200-1 "doesn't flow". The approved wording is:
+
+The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call) th
at {either} are denoted by parameters that could be passed by reference{,} or designated by parameters of an access type are nonoverlapping.
+
+---
+
+The problem here is that the "are nonoverlapping" applies to both kinds of parameters; the inserted comma tends to make it read as if that only applies to the second part. Jeff suggested adding an "are" and another comma, thus:
+
+The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call) th
at {either} are denoted by parameters that could be passed by reference{,} or {are} designated by parameters of an access type{,} are nonoverlapping.
+
+But I don't think that helps; now "are nonoverlapping" is completely hanging in space.
+
+The usual fix for such dangling items is to pull them to the front part:
+
+The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call) {a
re nonoverlapping} that {either} are denoted by parameters that could be passed by reference{,} or {are} designated by parameters of an access type[ are nonoverlapping].
+
+The "that" doesn't make much sense here, perhaps "if" would be better:
+
+The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call) {a
re nonoverlapping if either} [that] are denoted by parameters that could be passed by reference{,} or {are} designated by parameters of an access type[ are nonoverlapping].
+
+But this doesn't seem to have the right meaning (it seems to say that it applies if either parameter meets these requirements, the  rule applies, while we want it to apply only if both parameters meet the requirements.
+
+I'm out of ideas at this point. Any better suggestions???
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: Jeff Cousins
+Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016  4:32 AM
+
+> The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call) 
{are nonoverlapping if either} [that] are denoted by parameters that could be passed by reference{,} or {are} designated by parameters of an access type[ are nonoverlapping].
+
+> But this doesn't seem to have the right meaning (it seems to say that it applies if either parameter meets these requirements, the  rule applies, while we want it to apply only if both parameters meet the requirements.
+
+> I'm out of ideas at this point. Any better suggestions???
+
+It's getting rather long for a single sentence, but here's another attempt:
+
+The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same) language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of objects (one from each call) {a
re nonoverlapping if both objects of such a pair are either} [that are] denoted by {a }parameter[s] that could be passed by reference or designated by {a }parameter[s] of an access type[ are nonoverlapping].
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: John Barnes
+Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016  5:42 AM
+
+I don't think that putting "are overlapping" earlier helps at all.
+
+I think that Jeff's suggestion is not bad. However, I suggest reversing "either" and "are" so we end up with:
+
+The implementation shall ensure that each language-defined subprogram is reentrant in the sense that concurrent calls on any two (possibly the same)  language-defined subprograms perform as specified, so long as all pairs of  objects (one from each call) 
that are either denoted by parameters that could be passed by reference, or are designated by parameters of an access type, are nonoverlapping.
+
+I find it helps to remove square and curly brackets so that the result is clearer and then when satisified to put them back for the record.
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: Tullio Vardanega
+Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016  7:17 AM
+
+I like this version, both for formulation and absense of brackets.
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: Tucker Taft
+Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016  3:06 PM
+
+Johns version works for me.  Next approach would probably be bullets, but John's seems good enough without them.
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: Randy Brukardt
+Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016  8:20 PM
+
+I prefer Jeff's (Wednesday) suggestion to Jeff's (Monday) suggestion as modified by John. But it appears that I'm outnumbered, so I'll shut up (at least until we have someone who can't understand it - that may be a while, since Adam isn't around anymore).

 
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