CVS difference for ai05s/ai05-0005-1.txt
--- ai05s/ai05-0005-1.txt 2008/10/25 04:53:13 1.19
+++ ai05s/ai05-0005-1.txt 2008/12/02 06:01:19 1.20
@@ -182,6 +182,85 @@
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+From: Robert A. Duff
+Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:43 PM
+
+I just got my "author's copies" of the Ada RM published by Springer. Thank
+you, Randy. And my name, and several others, appear prominently on the cover.
+Cool.
+
+However, I have a concern: The name "Jean Ichbiah" appears nowhere, as far as I
+can tell, in the RM nor AARM. This seems like an outrageous lack of proper
+attribution. Is there some way to correct it, at this late date?
+
+What about the members of JDI's team? The "Acknowledgments" sections of this
+document commemerate many people -- but the pre-95 folks are left out.
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: Tucker Taft
+Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:55 PM
+
+I don't remember what process was used to produce the "front
+material" of the Ada 95 standard. But if you look at it
+in comparison to the Ada 83 "green book," the Ada 83
+"foreword" which was effectively the acknowledgments
+was not officially part of the standard (or at least that
+is what it says at the bottom of the page). In the Ada 95
+standard, the "foreword" is some boilerplate provided by
+ISO, and makes no acknowledgments to authors. There is
+an "acknowledgments" page in the Ada 95 standard, but since
+there was no direct equivalent in the Ada 83 standard, I
+suspect it was developed from scratch, and I think we presumed
+it was obvious that this was an acknowledgment about the
+revision process, not about the original standard.
+
+It does seem a bit unfortunate that there is no acknowledgment
+to the original Ada language team, but I certainly don't
+feel anyone should blame Randy for the current situation.
+If anyone goofed, it was the Ada 9X team.
+
+****************************************************************
+
+From: Pascal Leroy
+Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:41 AM
+
+> What about the members of JDI's team? The "Acknowledgments"
+> sections of this document commemerate many people -- but the
+> pre-95 folks are left out.
+
+I definitely agree. I actually find it quite outrageous that the original
+team is not mentioned (I am not blaming anyone, I'm sure it was not on
+purpose, but it's certainly unfair).
+
+What do we do about this? We are certainly not going to reprint the paper
+copies. I would also object to modifying the PDF and HTML files, since it
+is essential that they remain as close as possible to the printed version.
+We took extra steps (e.g., publishing SHA-1 signatures) to ensure that
+people would not be confused about which version is the "right" one. We
+don't want to start changing those files at the drop of a hat.
+
+My view is that if you make a mistake, the best you can do is to own up to
+it. My suggestion would be add on the official page for the Ada 05 RM
+(www.adaic.org/standards/ada05.html) a blurb like:
+
+"The development of Ada 95 and Ada 2005 would of course have been
+impossible without the strong foundation provided by Ada 83. As part of
+the numerous rounds of edits on the Reference Manual, the acknowledgments
+regarding the design team for the original language were unfortunately
+lost. We apologize for this error. The acknowledgment section for the
+Ada 83 language can be found <here>."
+
+Where the last word would hyperlink to a page containing the text of the
+acknowledgment section of RM 83.
+
+[Editor's note: A short acknowledgement based on the Ada 83 Foreword should
+be added in front of the Ada 95 acknowledgement. This is recorded here as
+this is text which does not appear in the actual Standard, so it shouldn't
+be mentioned in a real AI.]
+
+****************************************************************
+
From: Randy Brukardt
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:53 PM
@@ -763,8 +842,8 @@
> to an "assignment_statement", which would have made things clearer in
> the rest of the paragraph, but that reference got deleted.
-I as I mentioned to Tuck, that would be wrong. OK, it would be fight but it
-would make the nore far more narrow than it should be. Both notes apply
+I as I mentioned to Tuck, that would be wrong. OK, it would be right but it
+would make the note far more narrow than it should be. Both notes apply
anytime bits are copied (but not build-in-place).
I suppose trying to fix these notes rather than deleting them and starting
@@ -1674,87 +1753,9 @@
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-Editor's note (Oct 20, 2008): All of the items above this
+Editor's note (Nov 13, 2008): All of the items above this
marker have been included in the working version of the AARM.
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-From: Robert A. Duff
-Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:43 PM
-
-I just got my "author's copies" of the Ada RM published by Springer. Thank
-you, Randy. And my name, and several others, appear prominently on the cover.
-Cool.
-
-However, I have a concern: The name "Jean Ichbiah" appears nowhere, as far as I
-can tell, in the RM nor AARM. This seems like an outrageous lack of proper
-attribution. Is there some way to correct it, at this late date?
-
-What about the members of JDI's team? The "Acknowledgments" sections of this
-document commemerate many people -- but the pre-95 folks are left out.
-
-****************************************************************
-
-From: Tucker Taft
-Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:55 PM
-
-I don't remember what process was used to produce the "front
-material" of the Ada 95 standard. But if you look at it
-in comparison to the Ada 83 "green book," the Ada 83
-"foreword" which was effectively the acknowledgments
-was not officially part of the standard (or at least that
-is what it says at the bottom of the page). In the Ada 95
-standard, the "foreword" is some boilerplate provided by
-ISO, and makes no acknowledgments to authors. There is
-an "acknowledgments" page in the Ada 95 standard, but since
-there was no direct equivalent in the Ada 83 standard, I
-suspect it was developed from scratch, and I think we presumed
-it was obvious that this was an acknowledgment about the
-revision process, not about the original standard.
-
-It does seem a bit unfortunate that there is no acknowledgment
-to the original Ada language team, but I certainly don't
-feel anyone should blame Randy for the current situation.
-If anyone goofed, it was the Ada 9X team.
-
-****************************************************************
-
-From: Pascal Leroy
-Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:41 AM
-
-> What about the members of JDI's team? The "Acknowledgments"
-> sections of this document commemerate many people -- but the
-> pre-95 folks are left out.
-
-I definitely agree. I actually find it quite outrageous that the original
-team is not mentioned (I am not blaming anyone, I'm sure it was not on
-purpose, but it's certainly unfair).
-
-What do we do about this? We are certainly not going to reprint the paper
-copies. I would also object to modifying the PDF and HTML files, since it
-is essential that they remain as close as possible to the printed version.
-We took extra steps (e.g., publishing SHA-1 signatures) to ensure that
-people would not be confused about which version is the "right" one. We
-don't want to start changing those files at the drop of a hat.
-
-My view is that if you make a mistake, the best you can do is to own up to
-it. My suggestion would be add on the official page for the Ada 05 RM
-(www.adaic.org/standards/ada05.html) a blurb like:
-
-"The development of Ada 95 and Ada 2005 would of course have been
-impossible without the strong foundation provided by Ada 83. As part of
-the numerous rounds of edits on the Reference Manual, the acknowledgments
-regarding the design team for the original language were unfortunately
-lost. We apologize for this error. The acknowledgment section for the
-Ada 83 language can be found <here>."
-
-Where the last word would hyperlink to a page containing the text of the
-acknowledgment section of RM 83.
-
-[Editor's note: A short acknowledgement based on the Ada 83 Foreword should
-be added in front of the Ada 95 acknowledgement. This is recorded here as
-this is text which does not appear in the actual Standard, so it shouldn't
-be mentioned in a real AI.]
-
-****************************************************************
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